The Lands of Arda

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

I like the concept of the graduated % per respawn, though this needs to have a cap (after the 5th respawn that level the % does not increase). Perhaps the base % can increase every few levels(5% base at 1-5 or somesuch)
We will have to look at how this compares with a flat rate. Also, for the moment...why do we care how much a 20th level character loses? Can you lose levels? I dont even know if that works currently in nwn2, plus I wouldn't want to risk any possible corrupted characters from de-levling.
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo

illuminus · Vala Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 382

The point of bringing up 20th level is to illustrate a maximum and minimum scale, not whether or not 20th gets de-leveled or not.

Hubert · Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 90

How about a set number of respawns per level? This would make it much more to press that spawn button. The respawn count could of course reset on server boot.

B.R. Hubert
_________________
Wobbits are those sneaky little devils, that steal your precious.

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

Hubert, while I do like that idea, that will eventually just lead to the problem we had before in old arda, people will just log out after they die and wait till the server reboots to play again...this seems "anti fun" to me.
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo

Hubert · Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 90

Indeed, that migth resemble more of the old Arda way.

How about if you could buy respawn counts with gold? This would truly make the money factor more ovbious, and if you run out of respawn counts your truly screwed. This migth be created with respawn items, which of course are more expensive on higher levels. It would allso be impossible to abuse the %- amount of gold you have trick.

B.R. Hubert
_________________
Wobbits are those sneaky little devils, that steal your precious.

Bido of Buckland · Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 153 Location: Ceará Brasil

Not sure if the point can be used in this thread, but the respawn will be directly conected how hard/ease the mod will be or not? If the mod will be ease/soloeable or not I will respawn more or less...

So, I think the question is: the mod will be focus on teamplay or soloplay??

In the last Arda version, at least, the mod was going to be areas to solo and areas to teamplay...

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

we've been working on a lot of team oriented dungeons...though mostly cuz there are more difficult. But, I'm sure some people will still find ways to solo. It will be extra useful to have a cleric along to sustain the party, and a rogue to acquire...extra wealth.
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo

Thorgal · Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 706 Location: Switzerland

Interesting ideas, from everyone.

I especially like the thought to encourage to have clerics and rogues great. Actually to “force” party-endeavours is the biggest fun. Each char has his own role and place amidst the party and that is what I really enjoyed in playing NWN.

Regarding the respawn, I had a flash reading all the replies… Why not add a “permanent” xp penalty each time you respawn… or even die? Of course the xp penalty should have some limits, (adding 1% of penalty each time u die – up and until 50%? 75%?).

An other possibility would be, to set the penalty rate even higher... lets say 5% step each time you die. However, there should be also a decay rate of this penalty. One% per a specific time frame (eg 10 days in RL).

I don’t know… maybe my idea is crap and it should be thought through again or even down flush the toilet 
_________________
May my Sword shine in battle with courage and honour.
May each of my actions and deeds give honour to my ancestors, each of my blows honour to my Gods.

Tothra · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 9 Location: Finland

Or if you want to have more party oriented server make the penalty:
Loose all exp gained since last lvl up and some gold loss.
That way people will help others by running to raise them... nothing makes the people on server feel more a family then forming a rescue party to help someone.

This way there is no worry about deleveling but this penalty won't have much bite on a lvl 20 unless the gold loss is heavy. But then lvl 20s tend to go to most dangerous places and die a lot...

I'd like to see some exp gain from partying too. Party gaming is actually the reason why I even play nwn.

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

how do people feel about a "recover your body" type system?

Respawn at what would seem a higher xp penalty, but have the option to find your corpse to regain a % of lost xp? The % regained could be in some way based on some skill or your deity or some system of checks and balances with a judicial branch....

I would think only you would be able to recover your own corpse and it would contain no items.

If you respawn and the server reboots before you recover...you'd be out of luck

thoughts?
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo

Lanalon · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:16 am Post subject:

I love it actually, if you die again only the most recent copy is availabe. I'd be willing to make it like 90% of the xp lost is regained. This will help lower levels regain xp more qickly if they die, and hurt the higher levels who are more likely to die in the act of body recovery. Makes a great sytem if we go for something like a 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 progression.
_________________
One of the Fëanturi, the masters of spirits. He is keeper of the Houses of the Dead, and the summoner of the spirits of the slain. He forgets nothing; and knows all things that shall be. He is the Doomsman of the Valar, and Mandos is his name.

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

i would definitely spice it up by requiring various amounts of survival skill to increase your returns on finding the body. So what you say remains true plus it gives benefit to whatever skill and a higher level will have higher amounts in that skill allowing them to regain more xp, they will actually be the ones who need it more since it will become harder and harder to level as you progress....as normal.
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo

Masi · Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 1

The best solution I have seen to this is make respawning an actual game. Respawning takes a char to hell, the only way out with no loss is to (solve a puzzle/Kill some tough boss/run a maze). At the end of it, then the player has a choice of either re-spawning at some town or where they died. Instead of taking the quest the player has an option of 5% xp/gold hit and immediate return to town.

I have seen this used in various forms pretty effectively, it is annoying to die since you yet another time have to kill some monster, run some maze, etc... But you will not log out since you can return to where you died. which 9/10 times is in front of some boss.

Salith Grinn · Vala Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Location: Baltimore

interesting thought...it does sound rather annoying though. I like to minimize annoyance factor where I can.

edit: also, Masi...its about damn time you showed up!
_________________
Lord of the seas and one of the Valar. He is famed for bringing Tuor to Gondolin, and so ultimately bringing about the downfall of Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
-Encyclopedia of Arda: Ulmo